Season 1 - Ep. 11 - Digging Up the Past to Rock into the Future with Radical Radical

On this episode of The Powered By Rock Podcast, I get to speak with Adam Lohrbach (formerly of Orange County punk band Home Grown and New Year's Day) and Taylor Schwab from the pop-punk band Radical Radical about the new album I Feel Like I Want To and all about the journey of the album's creation as well.

We get pretty deep on some of the topics, and the conversation is one of the most meaningful ones I have had with any guest, or potentially any person not appearing on the podcast.

The music is awesome. The calculated process behind the project and the band coming together is truly a remarkable and well-laid design. Adam also challenges me to book Radical Radical for a show in Vegas -- and it is something I am currently trying to pull off!

You absolutely don't want to miss this episode.

Intro Music - "Colorado" by Birds Love Filters

Radical Radical Website: https://www.radicalradical.net/

Listen to I Feel Like I Want To Right Here: https://open.spotify.com/album/2zdpbxVJW4PdX1dsEYioGp

Radical Radical on Instagram: https://instagram.com/radicalradicalmusic

Watch the "I Feel Like I Want To" Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KATTkD19BIw

Watch the "Misfit Toys" Music Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pOePkkN8g

Transcription:

Isaac Kuhlman 0:00
Hello and welcome to the Powered By Rock Podcast where we're gonna be speaking with the SoCal punk band Radical Radical today, who have a new album out called, I Feel Like I Want To, which is the debut album. We're gonna speaking to the band right after this.

You're listening to the Powered By Rock Podcast with your host Isaac Kuhlman. The Powered By Rock Podcast was created to help showcase some of the best rock musicians in the world, and to pass on to future generations the rock music that has inspired rock fans around the world for decades. We want listeners to be able to hear great stories and life experiences directly from their favorite artists, as well as dig deeper into music theory and talk rock like no other show you've ever heard. This isn't about looking cool. It's about getting real and having a great time. Without further ado, let's start the show

Alright, hey, everybody, welcome to the Powered By Rock Podcast. To say that I'm excited about this episode today's probably an understatement because I'm gonna be speaking with Radical Radical about all the awesome music and plans they have coming up. And also pry into their innermost thoughts and memories to dig up some really cool stories as well. So welcome to the show, guys. How are things?

Adam Lohrbach 1:10
Things are going well, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I think we're on season, you know, the band is out of falling out and playing shows coming up this month, and then just kind of feels like a wide open, sort of who knows what's gonna happen next kind of thing, you know?

Isaac Kuhlman 1:32
Awesome. So if anyone is listening to the podcast and thinking, well, who the heck is Radical Radical, I probably should mention that Adam Lohrbach here, who's the lead singer and bassist and architect of the band, is also a founding member of the Orange County punk band Home Grown, which is one of my favorite bands from when I was in high school I listened to Act Your Age and Kings of Pop for many, many years, I still do regularly. And if you'd have told me 20 years ago, that'd be hosting a rock podcast that I got to interview Adam from Home Grown, I first would have said, What the heck is a podcast? But then once you explain that, to me, I would say that's pretty damn awesome. So thanks for doing the show today. Thanks, Adam. For all the great music. I've listened to you for years.

Adam Lohrbach 2:10
Nice, man. Yeah, back then. Right? If you even knew something about that, you'd be picking up your your corded phone and calling your friends or maybe paging some people to let them know. It's time to change man, as well.

Isaac Kuhlman 2:23
So it's great to have you here and catch up and talk about the new project and how it all came together and how you all collectively kind of came to add experience for the band. So I believe initially, this was just a solo project from from just you kind of putting out some new stuff and figuring out what you want to do musically. Is that pretty much correct, Adam?

Adam Lohrbach 2:42
Yeah, that's right. Do you want the long answer the short answer,

Isaac Kuhlman 2:45
be as long and specific as you want.

Adam Lohrbach 2:49
Well, it's kind of a loaded question, right? It it. It did start with me. But it didn't start out as any being a band, any intention of being a, you know, pop, punk sort of rock and you rock sound any of that it was honestly just easy poetry as a response to a really dark season, I went direction for for probably a good year or so. And it was kind of a way of digging myself out of that grave, so to speak, and sort of putting word and language and art to it. Because it's kind of all it's kind of what I knew to do. But it wasn't really geared to songs. But it's just coming out of that season. And, you know, obviously to my family to a lot of my close friends who helped me through that. My faith to all of this combined, sort of just stepping out of this now, I felt like man this is it almost felt like a message like it could be helpful. And I just sort of started twisting some of those lyrics into a pop punk sound. And it was, I mean, Isaac is instantaneous. It was it was effortless. Because back in the old days, and I was like in Home Grown and stuff, I'd write a lot of music and melody, and I have to shove lyrics into it. And it was like, it totally worked, right. But I would just, I mean, it'd be so hard to try and get well what I want to say, Gosh, this is gonna be forever. Is this gonna be stupid? Is it gonna be timeless? Does it need to be timeless, you know, you overthink it? How does this word fit into the melody? You know, all of those things, it's a little bit tougher when you have, you already know what you want to say and you're passionate about it. Then you just kind of make a melody around it. And the music sort of finds a place around what you want to say. And so that's kind of different proach Radical Radical and honestly, very refreshing. So I'm honest response to a dark time and hopefully, you know, it's hope for me, it was therapy for me and hopefully, it's, it's helpful to other people too. Yeah, and, you know, fun music too, obviously.

Isaac Kuhlman 4:46
Yeah, exactly. I do want to touch on that because you know, some of the songs like I Feel Like I Want To and I'm Not OK, And That's OK You definitely talk about the emotional side of not just, you know, just being a human but it seems to highlight the fact that you suffer from depression and anxiety and stuff is it How did you come to find out? Like that was something that was going on? Or did you always just kind of have that within yourself and had to fight that over the years?

Adam Lohrbach 5:07
No, honestly, it was when I turned 40. So you know, Confessions here, I'm an old man.

Isaac Kuhlman 5:14
Holy shit. I'm about to turn 40 in like 12 days. So you're scaring me.

Adam Lohrbach 5:19
Okay, it's about to get real, bruh. No, hopefully, you know, while you're fine or whatever. But, you know, for me it was when I turned 40, and just shortly after that, I think when you enter that, that sort of that season of life, you, you become a little bit more introspective. You start thinking about where you've been, where you're headed. And there are certain tools, things like I don't know if people might have heard of the Enneagram. And things like self awareness, tools, tools, discover how you respond the way you do, how you interact with people, what are some core motivation for you some of those things. And I realized there's a lot of things that I never really saw in myself, that were motivating me, or driving the things that I did, or the way I responded to conflict and all this stuff. And I realized, oh, my gosh, I'm figuring out things that I felt like at the time, I felt very ashamed, embarrassed to figure out about myself. This late in life, now confronted with who I really was versus who I should be. And I just got very depressed, I got very upset with myself, I got pretty disillusioned with some aspects of my childhood and stuff. And honestly, I just, I didn't look at myself with any kindness or grace, I was just like, Dude, you blew it, how did you not know this? And it just, it just spiraled, you know, depression talks to itself, but it sure feeds itself. And you just, it takes a lot of effort and a lot of work. And for me a lot of prayer. And just to like, it's a it's a fight, you know, depression, you can't passively sort of leave depression, you have to take initiative, you have to stay active and stay in the fight to get out. So yeah, it was, it was rough.

Isaac Kuhlman 6:59
And it's tough to face too, because, like you said, you have to see what the flaws are within you, and then be willing to actually change them. Because a lot of people just stay comfortable doing the same things, even if it's harmful or painful to their self psyche, or their confidence or their even physical ability to do anything, it's just easier not to confront it, right, because most people don't like confrontation. So to actually be able to look at that and say, you know, I'm gonna actually do something about it is a huge, huge deal. And, you know, you can tell through the lyrics of this, this album, and through the way that you actually put the passion in, that you're, you're coming from a very intimate and personal place where, you know, all the Home Grown songs have a little bit of intimacy and personal aspect to them. But nothing on this level, nothing to the point. I mean, most of our joke songs for are about, you know, girl, and relationships and stuff like that. But this is so much more personal than anything I've ever seen from, you know, not just you, but from most bands that put out anything. So I think it's a very good perspective.

Adam Lohrbach 7:54
Ah, that's very kind of you to say, thank Isaac.

Isaac Kuhlman 7:57
Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about how you guys kind of got together because obviously, once you're have the songs and you know, started working it out, let's talk about kind of how you guys got together. What you were, what was the, what was the, the journey to find the rest of the band and, and how did Taylor who's on on the show with us today? How did you kind of come in and get it from you guys's perspective, because, you know, there's, there's always gonna be people that say, Oh, well, this guy was in this band in this guy's in this band. But, you know, whether or not they're in a band or not, they still have to want to come and join and play in the new Yeah.

Adam Lohrbach 8:30
Right, you can share some of that. Yeah.

Taylor Schwab 8:34
I had a, I had kind of moved to California a few years back and got plugged in with Adam. We both play at church together and quickly realized that we had similar a little bit different but but similar kind of musical backgrounds. And I grew up in kind of like, aggressive indie rock bands, I guess, got heavily influenced by bands like La Dispute, but also a lot of like, Fueled By Ramen bands and things like that. And and so we kind of had similar still some pop punk roots, and just like punk roots and stuff that we related to each other, musically. Really, really well. And yeah, we play with musicians of all kinds of backgrounds. And so to have other musicians with similar background, it just kind of made a quick connection there. Yeah. And so when he started doing the this project, you know, I was like, oh, like for you. And I mean, I only ever played like, other than in church like in my growing up in bands. I'd only ever played bass in bands. And so I kind of assumed that would play bass. And then he was like, oh, yeah, cool. So here's guitar parts. Oh, okay. So I started on the guitar parts and yeah, it's just nice to connect in that regard for me and, and exciting to be able to play shows again. and stuff.

Adam Lohrbach 10:14
Yeah, I mean we both learn about it we I say the scene because back in the day it just felt like it was all sort of EMO indie pop, punk punk rock, right? There's all sort of like, like sound you like. But there's a lot of like, family community then all of it or like a known who's coming to town and

Taylor Schwab 10:32
shows with lands all over the spectrum too. Yes,

Adam Lohrbach 10:35
exactly. And he like he was an advanced Love Robot, right? He was a band Love Robot, great band on the on the East Coast, too. I think you can find all the Love Robot stuff, too. Like,

Taylor Schwab 10:45
yeah, most of it's still on Spotify and Apple music and things

Adam Lohrbach 10:49
like it's really good music. Anyhow, so you know, you know how that goes. Like, when you have those bands in common? Like I could say, Lagwagon. Right? Yeah, that would probably are The Starting Line. That that will probably mean nothing to like, 95% of anyone but then when you're selling Oh, yeah. Shows you it's like instant connection. Right. Like, aside from being friends. Like we have the connection of that type of stuff. Yeah. And then obviously,

Isaac Kuhlman 11:15
If you know Lagwagon, you know that you have good taste in music.

Adam Lohrbach 11:19
Amen. Yes, yes. Propagandhi, all those bands. Right. So yeah. And then, you know, I'd been in New Year's Day, which was the band after Home Grown and, and had had played it in studio work and stuff like that with Russell. And, and then obviously, Anthony, being in the band in New Year's day after I left New Year's Day. Just get back in touch. Like, I've been in touch with them for a while, you know? I I did, I did I pastored, Russell's wedding and stuff like that. So like we've had some pretty deep connects anyhow. And so when this actually started getting some traction, it just made perfect sense to say, hey, Russell, you're like an amazing drummer Anthony, amazing bass player and guitar player, by the way. Would you consider joining and he was immediately like, Yeah, let's do this.

Isaac Kuhlman 12:07
Yeah. So you got a drummer and three bass players, then you converted them all to guitar. It's true.

Adam Lohrbach 12:11
Yeah. At rehearse, but I'm not a drummer.

Taylor Schwab 12:17
Rehearsal. The other day, Anthony told me that the same thing I thought, where I like, assumed I'd play bass in the band. He told me the exact same thing. What Adam asked him to join. He's like, Yeah, I just assumed I'd be playing bass.

Isaac Kuhlman 12:32
It is a common thing with rock bands. Have you got enough guitar players? You just need to throw somebody in that bass, and get a good drummer.

Adam Lohrbach 12:39
There you go. I mean, we've got a good drummer.

Taylor Schwab 12:41
We're all bass players who, like have figured out how to how to play guitar.

Isaac Kuhlman 12:50
Yeah, that's awesome. So let's dig into the new album. Because, you know, like I said, I think it is a very personal intimate collection of songs. But based around that, that pop punk foundation, so it makes it relatable to anyone who listens. It's not like, you know, there's some pretty deep, dark, personal, intimate, indie rock bands out there. That'll just make it, you know, a bunch of noise in the background, or you'll clash some trashcans together and make this really weird, experimental sound. So it's like, yeah, that's really personal. But I don't want to listen to all that stuff. You know, it's like they're doing it for this cathartic release. But, you know, this, it has that same confessional type of cathartic catharsism in it. But it definitely does. It does have a lot of ibuyer autobiographical insights about emotional discovery, personal relationships, and even being a father. So it's definitely a nod to the fact that you can't, you can't stay 20 years old forever, right. But it is still relatable because it's got that the catchy hooks, it's got the you know, the amazing vocals by the way, cuz even don't do falsetto on this one was, I didn't know you could do, which is pretty awesome. So kind of what what is this kind of journey of that, that, you know, produce, producing the album recording the album, but also just kind of putting it all together? And, and thinking about it in terms of what the last 20 years has been like?

Adam Lohrbach 14:05
Yeah, honestly, and this feels like a life's work. And I certainly have ambitions for future records for radical radical. I'd even say, I probably have, like, 80% of the next record, like the lyrics, but again, you know, writing lyrics first. That's something to say first, or is already kind of written. Yeah, honestly, you know, you get older like you said, you can't you kind of have to be genuine to who you are, like, who you are in the present moment. And for me, like I realized, a lot of times, even with the Home Grown stuff, right, there was personal moments in some of that writing, which is true convictions where I was, but a lot of it was also me sort of, if I'm honest, a little disengaged with myself and more engaged with the world around me. And sort of writing from the perspective of Yeah, I see this and I see how you're hurting or whatever, and I and I sort of entered into the Story of others. Yeah. And was able to kind of feel it, you know, and write it. Yeah, if that makes sense.

Isaac Kuhlman 15:06
It's character writing, right? You're building it from a character that isn't necessarily you.

Adam Lohrbach 15:10
Yeah. Still true, but just not that personal. You know? And honestly, I don't know if I'd have felt released in my younger years to say that sounds sad, but I don't know that I've said like, Am I really that important or worthwhile to share something so deeply personal like that? That probably to me almost would have felt like, presumptuous. Maybe even. Yeah, conceited. I don't know, I, you know, like I said, I was, I was wrestling with a lot of internal things, you know, that I was processing later in my 40s. But at this point, I realized in life, I'm like, the people who are the most vulnerable with me, and are most like, open and honest with their brokenness, where they're at are the people that I come to closest to, are the people I feel like have a right to speak into my life. So I knew I needed to be that that person, like their songs like Middle-Aged Masterpiece, right? What teenager is gonna relate to that? I thought, but who's gonna relate to that I'm singing a song that almost demographically, like it excludes this whole thing. And I'm like, like, categorize, categorize as this is for you, if you're 40, you know, 50, whatever. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, No, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna constrain myself to that type of thinking, this is genuinely how I feel. And I think just that genuineness, it's going to connect anyway, because I can hear songs and things about experiences, stories, stuff, and music that has no relation to me, but I can enter into that story and the truth of it. And you know, and that and that just raw expression. And I'm in, and I may not totally relate, but I'm in you know, I mean, you know, and so, radical radicals kind of innocence. Is that that offering, you know,

Isaac Kuhlman 16:45
yeah, and it's, it's interesting, because you say, like, you know, as a as a young person, you probably don't relate to it as well. But I remember being young and hearing Billy Joel's Piano Man, or Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days and thinking, that's how I'm going to be when I get older, I'm gonna think back on all these people that, you know, all they ever thought about was high school was this great thing. And after that, like that, all they ever talked about is how cool they were in high school. I'm like, I never want to be that. So like, I'm relating to these 40 year old guys as like an 18 year old. So there is some, some relatability to that. It's like, you know, seeing somebody who has lived through that and just understanding it not everybody's gonna have that experience. But, you know, I personally, you know, did enjoy that and bands like Cursive, I don't know if you've know, Cursive, but Tim Kasher, he, he writes really aggressively about, you know, the regrets he's had over the year. And it's like, I don't have the same regrets. But damned if that doesn't hit really hard when you listen to him talk about the regrets that he has. So it is it's very interesting. And when when you get personal, it tends to become a lot more interesting.

Adam Lohrbach 17:46
Totally agree, man. I agree. And, and to say there's a place for songs that are just dance tunes, or write songs for a moment. It's not like everything has to be, you know, you're just you're bleeding out. And, you know, the musical notes. Right. There's there's a place for everything. But I think I think there is just something that there's just a there's a level of respect for just being sincere about where you're at. Right?

Isaac Kuhlman 18:10
Yeah. And that's not to say that your your, your all your songs are like super sad, because they're not. They're not sad. They're they're reflective, right? So they're, they're

Adam Lohrbach 18:17
reflective Yeah, yeah.

Isaac Kuhlman 18:19
Yeah, they'll get they'll get people

Adam Lohrbach 18:21
better listening to it. Right. You feel better, you don't feel like worse, like, Yeah. Hopefully as a sense of like, hopefulness and expectation for what could be in what the next steps are, you know, that's, that's what I hope people leave with the record.

Isaac Kuhlman 18:34
Yeah, I think I think that's a very good way to put it. And I like that because, you know, as much as as much as things affect us, we don't, we don't get broken by and we either we either don't deal with them, or we learn from them and grow. Right. So that's how I think people think that you're broken by the mistakes that you make. But that's, that's a total mindset thing, that if you think that you're not broken, you're just in the same position, you always were, you can, you can take that and make yourself better. So I like that way to think about that. Thanks. So then you have songs like Misfit Toys, and like you said, Middle-Aged Masterpiece that basically talks about how you aren't perfect, how you wouldn't really change, but you wouldn't really change the things you've done to get the result to where you are now. So that's kind of like that, that, like, you know, stuff happens to you. How do you respond to the right, so give a look? Yeah, I can think like, you know, if a couple of things were differently, maybe things would be different now better now. Or, you know, it's kind of like a pretty human thing to think about, but some people don't want to think about it much for various reasons. So do you ever have that moment?

Adam Lohrbach 19:34
You can share it too. I I'd say. Right. Everything leads you kind of where to where it's, I think you already said that really well, how it's what you do with those moments with those feelings of that brokenness. Like, it doesn't define you. But it helps it doesn't it doesn't define you it helps refine you. Right, in that sense. But certainly, I would I would be lying if I didn't say that. i There weren't regrets. I had, you know, and, you know not to get a huge laundry list of things, but you know, some of the ways that like, I acted in my younger years and treated people, you know, I wish there's some things I wish I could change and do better. Again, it all it all gets, there's, there's a redemption in it, but still, when you hurt people, you hurt people, right? And I'd rather not done those things. I would have rather, in the past been more appreciative, like, I think of like, like, the Home Grown years, right? I mean, think of how formative that was, for me as a musician, even where I'm at now and radical radical, like, a greater appreciation even for what was or being on tour. And, and I did appreciate it being I mean, like, really taking it in, like being present in the moment and stuff like that. I just, I just didn't know, you know, I wasn't aware enough of who I was as a person, you know, you just kind of you sort of ride in the cloud in the sense, you know,

Isaac Kuhlman 20:50
I think the line they say, is the youth is wasted on the young, right? Yeah,

Adam Lohrbach 20:55
there you go. Yes. So you know, things like that. I'm sure you know it to the degree that I'm hurting people and stuff like that. I definitely have regrets. But I'm so grateful for, you know, the fruit that what's come out of stuff, but

Taylor Schwab 21:06
yeah, yeah, I was, I was just joking. Before coming into this podcast, I was joking with some people just like batten stories around. And I was like, I was like, yeah, man, I sucked when I was younger. I like back at things. Or, like, I was the worst, like, thing that things I said to some people and stuff. And just like general attitude, like arrogance and stuff that I had. And and like you said, like, I wish I hadn't been like that. I wish I'd been like a better person at times. But at the same time, you can't like, you can't live with shame for those things. Because you can't, you can't change them. I mean, you can go back to those people and try to, like, reconcile. You can like, bring whatever healing is, is possible. Yeah. But you can't, like those things happened. Yeah, whether whether you're proud of them or not. And so like you said, like, you just kind of, you have to learn from them. You have to grow from them. And you have to, like, just learn to, to be better. I remember having a conversation with someone one time. And I was like, just starting at this point to, like, get on a little bit of this journey of like, like, personal growth and and stuff and, and she said to me, just feels I'm pretty good. Where I'm at right now. I don't really feel like I need to grow. And I was like, Oh, my goodness. Are you like, especially like, being on the journey of it? It was like, I mean, it's it was like, familiar when I like look back. And I'm like, oh, yeah, like a lot of people have that mindset. Yeah, the fact that she put it to words so confidently, was almost shocking. Yeah. And I liked it. Even like the fact I'm like, you really do need to grow actually. Yeah, but like we all do, it's just like, it's, it's coming to that like, realization of how no matter how far along the journey you are, like, you know, I'm sure you would say now, like, you haven't arrived. Like, there's still there's still growth, there's still things that I do. And say that hurt people. Yeah. And like, I need to, I try every day to do less of that. And grow and practice the things that make that second nature and like, like, be conscious of the things that hurt people and choose to do the things that don't, so that I can become unconsciously competent and do things that are good, that are healthy

Isaac Kuhlman 24:00
and helpful. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, you could put makeup on your face to make yourself you know, more attractive or, but you take away all the, you know, the physical appearance stuff. And if you look at somebody like Soul or whatever you want to call it their inner their inner personality, you can't put makeup over that you actually have to change that structurally or fundamentally, to actually make that better.

Adam Lohrbach 24:22
Yeah, yeah.

Taylor Schwab 24:22
My wife is an Aesthetician or she does skincare. I would say like you put makeup on it, but that won't treat the issue you do the skincare healthy.

Isaac Kuhlman 24:34
Yeah, exactly. Right. So the the actually the the the song Misfit Toys is a reference, I'm sure from the island of misfit toys from the Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. Yeah, cartoon. Maybe people don't know that that thing still exists, but it's been there for like 65 years or whatever it is now. Yeah, it's kind of been synonymous with being an outcast and finding other outcast as well. Yeah. Oh my god. Okay, the

Adam Lohrbach 25:00
other heads in the back, you can see Yeah, from the music video. That's what my son we're, that's awesome. It's you pretty well. Oh,

Isaac Kuhlman 25:07
yeah. How do you think that that that's the status of misfit toy? Because you obviously talked about in the song but how do you think that status applies to now versus did when you were younger?

Adam Lohrbach 25:18
We'll see it. Yeah. So everything like lyrically is is, there's an it's, it's an, it's embedded with me is that does that make sense? Like my whole child, it's like, honestly, it's my whole life almost in a record, like, there's a lot of my life in it. I grew up with those movies, like every Christmas time that would come around. I love the time lapse stuff, you know, Tim Burton and stuff. Like I love all of that time that I was always drawn to it. And so I'd always watch those shows. And that one, I have

Isaac Kuhlman 25:45
the patience to do that, by the way to do

Adam Lohrbach 25:46
the little. Yeah,

Taylor Schwab 25:50
when I was young, I probably probably hadn't even done 13 yet. And it's like, yeah, a little like, like action figures and stuff and trying to make I it was probably the finished product was probably 15 seconds.

Adam Lohrbach 26:04
Yeah. Yeah, but those that's like that, that feeling like a misfit, like feeling like you're on, you're on the wrong Island. Yeah, that's kind of the feeling like, so like, those moments like that. That movie in that moment in the movie just resonated me like my feelings, because so much was as being up from my childhood teenage years. And when that song is being written, like on us thinking about that, yeah, misfit I feel like I'm on that island right now, you know, in the song that sort of started evolving, like, thinking through those childhood feelings, thinking about where I was now, where I wanted to be. And so it's kind of embedded in into it, you know, some of the stuff like artwork and things like that some of the video stuff, you know, there's like old Atari systems. There's things from my childhood, the music video was recorded in my parent's garage. Oh, the outdoor scenes that we're walking in, was recorded in I was born and raised in Santa Ana, California. And so there's like a little art district area over by where I lived, where often go like skateboard and stuff like that. So even the location I want it to be, like, meaningful to like, where I grew up as a kid, like the things that were common to me. And so everything about it was not I was going to get that I'm not going to be like, Oh, that's the place where Adam, but you know, but for me as an artist, I see it and it has deep meaning for me. And some people get it some won't care to matter. But to me, it's

Isaac Kuhlman 27:27
Easter egg trivia stuff that you know, that you're building out there that you can tell people you know, hey, this is a little trivia. If you ever do a Radical Radical trivia night at a pub or something

Adam Lohrbach 27:37
Or a pop up video over the top of videos.

Isaac Kuhlman 27:40
This is like my favorite thing back in the day getting all that trivia and a video.

Taylor Schwab 27:45
Behind the scenes.

Adam Lohrbach 27:46
Actually, Misfit Toys be a great one to do that on. Yeah.

Isaac Kuhlman 27:50
So let's well I'll ask one more question about a song and we'll talk about some other stuff here. But the song Hazel, I have to ask who that's about? Because it seems like it's about a young woman or child but it seems a bit confrontational as well. And it's hard to pin down a male you don't have any daughters. You have three three sons Correct.

Adam Lohrbach 28:06
3 boys

Isaac Kuhlman 28:07
Yeah. Yeah. So who's that song written for?

Is it is it your eyes? Your eyes?

Adam Lohrbach 28:21
It's me. Okay. It's yeah. It's me. Excellent. Hazel. Hazel. Yeah.

Isaac Kuhlman 28:29
Because I mean, it starts out with like a soft piano part. So it almost sounds like it's gonna start out like a love song. And then kind of gets confrontational. And just like many of the other songs in there, like, Hello, my name is Adam, or whatever the actual song title is, you're looking at yourself, right? So you're looking in the mirror at yourself, talking to yourself. So it's yeah, it's great.

Adam Lohrbach 28:50
Yeah, I was gonna say that that one too, is like, it's, it's almost like, you know, because, you know, faith is a big part of my journey, too. So it's almost like a like a conversation almost like with God with me, like, I'm here to crash this pity party. I'm here to rain on your Black Parade. I'm here to finish what you started. Because you and I both know what's at stake, you know, that type of thing. It's like a, you know, people could take that is just a, you know, conversation, you know, between who they are really are and their ego type thing to obviously, but for me is almost like a you know, it's like God talking to me saying, hey, let's let's fit. Let's finish this, you know, you're not stuck. We're moving to

Isaac Kuhlman 29:27
Gotcha. And I'd never have known the color of your eyes until just now. So that's a good catch.

Adam Lohrbach 29:32
Yeah, that's the that's the fun thing about art. Right that like there's I think there's not everything being so overt, right? Things being poetic, so that there is there is something that you can you can find yourself in in a way that it's not so pigeonholed, right? Yeah. It's like this means this and this, like, No, this could. This could. It hits me this way. Right? People have different interpretations of songs and stuff and I think like a song like Hazel has room for a lot of that too. But for me, you know it was it meant that for me,

Isaac Kuhlman 30:01
yeah, it's super catchy too, because the hook gets stuck in my head for like, three, four days after I listen to it on my own. I send that over and over and

Adam Lohrbach 30:08
over real quick. And I love I'll tell you I love about that song because it goes, it's in the key of B. Right? Yeah. B. And then it goes to a G minor. But then the hook goes who major? The major third, right? Instead of doing the minor

Taylor Schwab 30:25
thirds, yeah, does a major chord on the on the third phase? Oh, hey, which is,

Adam Lohrbach 30:29
which is weird. It should be minor, but it's major, but it fit the melody I wanted. And I was like, Ooh, that's cool. Because it's, it's a little odd. But it helps. That makes sense. Sometimes, songwriters, you try really hard to put in the odd because you want to impress or you want to have more to offer than you know, just a standard progression. You want to do some augmented or some diminished or some passing chord because it it just changes a song It feels more advanced in whatever you know, like I said, I have this feeling sometimes in my writing, I'm like, Ah, this is too simple. Whatever. But you know that song has some weird chord some weird stuff in it. .

Taylor Schwab 31:03
Magic seven in there, too.

Adam Lohrbach 31:06
Magic seven in there. There's harmony bass a lot. There's a lot of weird stuff on it. But but it's not for the sake of weird it just fit the melody. Yeah, so when

Isaac Kuhlman 31:16
I talked with Angelo Celli, from Bracket about that exact same thing, how they constantly take, like, some bands will actually do it on one song, but they'll do it on every single song, right. So like, it's just incredible to hear them harmonize with the the weird chords that they throw in there.

Adam Lohrbach 31:31
Okay, so shout out to Bracket some of their earlier stuff. That was one of the first times I got exposed to the odd chords. And some of those things that I learned from Bracket on their early records got infused in some of the writing midstream for Home Grown stuff. So thank you Bracket you may have never known that.

Isaac Kuhlman 31:51
That's awesome. All right. So let's talk about the recording process of this actual. Well, let's talk about the production and how it all came together. And then how you guys are now, you know, I would say not essentially touring, but be able to play live show. So how did the process come together for turning the songs into a full band's production? Because you have to take the ideas from a single person, transform it with the rest of the band? And then how do you guys actually record the album? What did you guys go into a studio? Did you guys do it yourselves? Did you work with anybody on the actual production side?

Adam Lohrbach 32:24
Say Should I take that part? And you take the bottom part? Take the band part? Yeah. Okay, so right now I'm recording this is this is my studio. So it happens to be my office where I work as well. And everything the entire record was, was recorded in this room. So every everything so on this are obviously not live then that goes out and saying, but I recorded everything on the record. So you know, programming drums, bass, guitars, mixing, mastering all of it was done here. So and

Isaac Kuhlman 32:59
that was the case, because a lot of the stuff sounds like you, you kind of did it yourself. Now, I'm not saying that it's bad. But it's you can kind of see the layered progressions as you go through and listen to it. Whereas if you play it all together as a band, you probably have a bit of a bigger sound together, because somebody will want to, like, turn their volume up or do this or that. But, you know, even when you bring it down to just the baseline, and you're actually playing some pretty intricate baselines and while sing on him, like he actually played that while singing or did he just play that and then learn how to figure out the thing to that later because it's pretty intricate. So is that kind of how you did it? I mean, just one at a time. Like did you start with bass and lyrics? Or do you start with guitar lyrics? Or have I got

Adam Lohrbach 33:38
I would start with drums. And then for me songwriting I, when I when I write a song, I hear the whole thing done. I don't know how to explain that as soon as I start writing a song in my head, I already hear the guitar parts, I hear the bass, I hear the strings, I just hear I hear the harmonies. For me, it already sounds like a finished thing. So I'm just building Okay, on drums, I want to lock in the bass with the drums. I know the guitar is going to layer in this way. Then I might add a little bit of like percussion, like ear candy stuff, you get the vocals thinking of some delay throws, it might sound cool, some panning production, you know. So for me, I kind of sort of build up from the drums up, and then think about how you're going to create some more interest for the song. And make sure that the songs constant constantly evolving for me. Like I say, that's where my like ADD plays to an advantage for me. Because if you listen to the song, every chord these these guys have to suffer through this because if you listen to every verse, in every course of every song, there's no copy pasting things or whatever. Yep, the risks will almost always change for the guitarist. So in for the bass two, for the most part, if you listen to the record and listens to it, there is no verse one sounds like verse two. There will be at least two to three changes in instrument in light in the instrumentation plan. And then changes in the harmonies that come or harmonies that aren't there. So that for me, I want people to experience the song and feel like, if I want to hear that part again, I got to listen, I gotta go back and listen, because it's going to come and it's gone. Not just like, Oh, you just you copy paste and put it in three choruses. And you call it good. I can't do that. It's it's, something's got to be special as the song moves where you want to keep listening.

Taylor Schwab 35:26
Even lik vocally too like different, even just like a single note. Yeah, like where it's just like a different inflection on Chorus three, because the song is like culminating.

Adam Lohrbach 35:36
Yeah, yep. Yep. And so Okay, so everything. So Taylor answered this. Everything's written. Right? They said, they said, Yeah, let's do this this way. And then Okay, now, how do we play? Yeah. How do we how do we figure this out?

Taylor Schwab 35:54
Yeah, modern technology is so awesome. So we use this this app called Prime from a company called Loop Community, and be able to take all of the stems from the record and bounce them down and put them into this this app. And then add us to like a setlist that's got all the songs on it.

Adam Lohrbach 36:24
It's like a team sharing thing.

Taylor Schwab 36:25
Yeah. So I can I can pull up, I'm on my phone or iPad or whatever. And take a look at the stems and say, oh, I want you know, let me solo the guitar. So I'm gonna figure out my part. Okay, cool. Now I need to rehearse. Let me actually pull out the guitar. I don't need so much of the backing vocals. I'll pull those down. And they take it to mix it themselves. So I can pull things down. It's got like a click a metronome in there. It even has, if you like, segment the song within the software, It'll even give you like, a guide track that tells you like, the chorus is coming or the verse. Age like, it's pretty amazing. You have it there.

Isaac Kuhlman 37:13
What sorry, I can't. Are you saying it's Prime?

Taylor Schwab 37:16
Yeah, it's like Optimus It's probably

Isaac Kuhlman 37:23
Now I'm not gonna get in any trouble for the copyrights

Adam Lohrbach 37:26
Okay. Anyhow, you can you can sell out whatever instrument you want. That's awesome.

Isaac Kuhlman 37:41
Very cool.

Adam Lohrbach 37:42
Okay, now turn off. So you know, get him in trouble.

Isaac Kuhlman 37:48
That should be fine. As long as you give me permission to have it

Adam Lohrbach 37:51
being you have permission. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah.

Taylor Schwab 37:55
verbal contract.

Isaac Kuhlman 37:56
Yeah. That was the song Hazel obviously. And

Adam Lohrbach 37:59
yeah, so we,

Taylor Schwab 38:01
so we got those tracks. And we're able to learn them kind of all at home because we, Russell and Anthony don't live quite as close to us. We live very close to each other. And, and we rehearse here.

Adam Lohrbach 38:17
We see each other all the time, always. And

Taylor Schwab 38:19
so but they are they're close to each other. But you know, 3040 minutes away, depending so

Isaac Kuhlman 38:25
basically on a different planet. I mean, yeah, California.

Taylor Schwab 38:30
Yeah. And so we're each able to kind of practice and learn our parts, and then come together. Yeah. And rehearse. And I mean, the first time we got together to rehearse the benefit of technology like that is that we'd never I'd never been in the same room as Anthony and Russell before our first rehearsal. And we plugged in and played a song. And it's awesome. sounded great.

Adam Lohrbach 38:58
It was it was like, Oh, that's great. Let's go to the next song. And we'd never played before as a band. But I mean, of course, that speaks to their, their level of right musicianship and like, doing the homework, whatever, because everyone at home made sure they knew their parts. So it was it was pretty effortless. I mean, everyone's just such good musicians. It makes it easy.

Isaac Kuhlman 39:18
Yeah. I mean, it feels good to play with other professionals too, because I played with people where I had to drag people up and try to make them play better. And like force them to be good at their instrument. And I played with people who are just good and pick it up right away. And I'm like, Oh, my God, this is refreshing. So I imagine that's no good for that first practice. Yeah, for sure.

Adam Lohrbach 39:37
We get we know, we know. We know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Isaac Kuhlman 39:41
So another thing I want to dig into you guys have been talking about this well as you've actually become a worship pastor over the years, Adam and you know, obviously it's it's active, it's active in your in your, in your life. And, you know, I was just curious if there was something that ignited that, that kind of faith or even just the Ignited you to take a leadership role. Your faith.

Adam Lohrbach 40:01
Hmm. Yeah, I think I gave my heart to the Lord when I was a teenager. And then once I got in, like the band, like Home Grown years and stuff like that. And this is no, this is not casting any shadow or shades on it, whatever I just had, I had a personal convictions, whatever. And then, you know, you kind of go the way the buffalo I'm like, Yeah, you start, you start just getting in that scene, you start doing whatever. And then I just sort of cast my faith to the side. And I'm like, Yeah, whatever. Like, I'd feel a little, little pricks every once in a while, like, that's not cool. You know? Like, that's not you. You just kind of override it over time. Until, like, a lot of my life sort of fell apart. Like, my girlfriend broke me up with me at the time, you know, we're torn 10 months out of the year, I have nothing really to come home to. And so I kind of hit like a low in a sense. And discussions with God again, like, man, what's happening? And he just, honestly just beat me go are you doing with your life? And I'm like, I don't know. He's like, Alright, let's do something new. Like, are you willing? Are you willing to give this up? And these are the conversations I hadn't had to wrestle with. And I'm like, This is my world. Like, are you willing to give it up? And I was like, yeah, if you think is best for me, I'll do it. And so his answer for me, he was like, yeah, it's time to let it go have something else for you. And so you can imagine, like, with Home Grown like, that affects all of our lives. Right? Yeah. I mean, it's pretty brutal. And I love them. And I still do we still talk in. But so I had I quit homegrown at that point, because I knew my life was going in kind of a different direction than where I was with a band. And I felt like I wanted to be in full time ministry. And that took a long time. And that's when I got married. I did like drywall, I sold patio furniture. So you can imagine probably a lot of musicians that can relate to this. When you're touring musician, and that's your income. By the way, it's not a ton.

Isaac Kuhlman 41:53
You know, it's not like you're going home in a Ferrari

Adam Lohrbach 41:56
you're not making it you know, we'd sell a lot of shows we do really well trout, you know, go around the Earth and in. But it's not like I was rolling or anything, you know, you're still kind of getting by. And so you just have to make things work, right? You, you do drywall, you do electrical work, you do whatever you can, because your skill, playing bass doesn't translate to the real world. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So through that I had a relationship with a pastor, I'm out here still with the church. And he had a conversation one day, with me just inviting me saying that he felt like God was saying that I'm the guy for the job. And he took me sight unseen. He took me not seeing that I had even sort of led worship music in that capacity at all. He just felt like the Lord said, Hey, this is the right time. I felt it too. And I was like, let's do this. And, yeah, and so it's cool, kind of the redemption of even all the things like I'd learned in music in the past and a super green back then. And really green. And, but still being able to use some of those things, skills, talents, and like to, like, get a band together and have fun like that. To like, invest in people and grow them up as musicians, like just having like, a conversation with you. You know, it's like, talking about the real things in life that matter, like, what's really going on, you know, like, what's, what's happening at that deeper level, so that we can like, get more free and stuff. Those are just conversations I'm afforded to have all the time it's you know, it's it's, it's, it's a real, it's a real honor to do that. So, yeah.

Isaac Kuhlman 43:18
I also, you know, I'm not personally that religious. My dad actually is in a in a church band as well. He plays guitar, he actually plays bass, but he has a guitar. So he he's converted the other way. But yeah,

Adam Lohrbach 43:29
again, you can get sometimes when you play guitar, not really. Alright, get on the guitar.

Isaac Kuhlman 43:38
But yeah, I'm not like a religious person, by any means. I do have, you know, I guess spirituality of some sort, but not not a conviction to a religion. But But one thing I think, you know, people will say is, oh, you know, this is, I don't want to listen to this now. Because I've just heard Adam talk about Christ and Christianity and faith. And so this got to be a Christian album, which I don't think it is at all, I think you say the word God one time in the whole album. And I don't think it should be something that they should be concerned about. Because it's what we're talking about with real life issues, right? Like, just because you have a certain faith doesn't change your perspective on how you deal with things. As a person, right? It's just, you know, you come from a different lens versus them but what does that matter? And have you ever thought about like, you know, what does it like? What does it matter to you? Or does it does the, you know, outside perspective ever come across in your writing when you're thinking like, you know, oh, man, I'm in a punk band. I can't really write deep religious stuff into my music or is it just something that you just don't feel like is appropriate? Because you want to keep it more relatable or something?

Adam Lohrbach 44:41
I'm just honestly, it's just kind of the raw feelings that I have about myself or the things happening around me like you said, sometimes like, you know, God comes up in a song like, the word gets it. Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, a lot

Isaac Kuhlman 44:57
of religious people that say the word God in their music Way more than Christian music because they're like always,

Adam Lohrbach 45:03
and to be honest, I I'm not I'm not proposing this at all but even as you saying, God, I need your help. You know someone can take that and Misfit Toys just be like, you're asking someone, like, that's not my heart for it, but I'm just saying, yeah, it's it's not like a worship album per se. But for for me for for me personally just being genuine who I am what I'm going through. For me that's, that's where I don't have to be like telling you got to do this and you got to got to believe this like that's that's not the point the point is just being honest and vulnerable with people and how that unlocks people and have conversations that actually matter. So you're right, it doesn't know I don't feel confined to it or feel like I have to be preachy or something like that, you know, I'm just available. You know, yeah, that makes it I'm just available, like people want to talk. Cool. You like the music just because you like the songs and the hooks like, kids love it. Their kids are singing all the time. It's love them. Yeah.

Isaac Kuhlman 45:59
Sweet. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Just enjoy it,

Adam Lohrbach 46:03
just enjoy. Just enjoy it, you know? Don't over don't know, you know, don't overthink it, it's really helpful. And you want to think about it, think about it, but you know, like, enjoy it, you know, and maybe it'll maybe it'll maybe it'll give language for a part of your journey you're going through at some point to where you're like, yeah, that resonates with me, that kind of helps me a little bit, it gives me a different perspective for whatever that type of thing. But hopefully fires on all kinds of levels, you know?

Taylor Schwab 46:24
And that's awesome. I mean, it's not exactly my question to answer. But if like, like, there's such a, a, a message of hope, in in the record. And at the like, at the end of the day for you, like where, where does that hope lie? It lies in Jesus, for for us. And so if that's if that's helpful for someone if that, like, if someone's going through something, and they are feeling hopeless? Well, you know, Adam wrote a record that is full of hope. So you have a place to look?

Isaac Kuhlman 47:06
Yeah, that's good. Yeah. 'Cause it doesn't matter if you have the faith or not of whatever religion because you know, there's millions of religions, probably on planet Earth. But if you if you're looking for hope, you can, you can get it a lot in music. And that's, I think, beyond faith in religion, you can get that inspiration that fire that, you know, the regeneration of your, of your passion in your soul. I mean, yes, one of the reasons why I started this podcast and why I've been playing music since I was 11 years old, is it's a release, but it's also a regeneration. It feels like you're building something every single time you play an instrument or write a new song or, you know, talk to people like you guys, when when I get the chance to interview people. It's, it's it's so good to like, just have that expression and understand art from artists' perspective, because if you don't understand that, and you just let it pass you over, that's one thing, but if you do understand it, it can raise a whole level of new awareness for you.

Adam Lohrbach 48:02
Yep. Absolutely. I love that. I love that. Yeah.

Isaac Kuhlman 48:07
Cool. So let's talk about the name

Adam Lohrbach 48:09
You're very well spoken, Isaac. So I can just say I can just agree with the way I just go. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, everything saying it's just brilliant, man. I love it.

Isaac Kuhlman 48:18
Well, I'm so bright. My daddy calls me son. Oh,

Adam Lohrbach 48:24
we can do the dad joke thing.

Isaac Kuhlman 48:31
Let's talk about the name because when you first hear the name, radical radical, you think, Oh man, that's lazy. Like they just took the name Radical and added another Radical. It's no.

Adam Lohrbach 48:41
Are they saying that? Who?

Isaac Kuhlman 48:42
But let me get their address. It's obviously a noun and an adjective. Like a radical is a person who is is of radical extremism or whatever, like somebody who's hyper active about something than the phrase radical also is an adjective of like, how cool it is, or awesome it is. So to be a radical radical is actually not just two words in a row. It's to two words that mean something different. What just happened to be the same, same actual word, right?

Adam Lohrbach 49:10
Yeah, that's it.

Taylor Schwab 49:13
So Isaac's smarter than I am not getting that. I learned it when we were doing a podcast. And you said, oh, oh, that's cool.

Adam Lohrbach 49:27
You talk about that more than apparently, for those naysayers. Just kidding. Yeah, like you said, it's a description. It's a noun, right? So. So it has it has that sense. And then also has it hails back to because I'm, I'm a child who grew up in the 80s. Radical was very familiar cell term, right? So there's a little bit in histology there. And then also, if you look in the logo, the logo that we have, it's, it's two Rs. If you pull it apart, it's two R's that are just embedded into one another. And I made the Rs. So they're, they're facing one another, just like this project is like me facing myself. Yep. And that journey. So even in that it has meaning it folds over and itself. It's the radical facing the radical. point shoot right there. Right? That's all I'm saying everything I'm telling you everything about this project, if you want to add it has there's, there's, you know, I'm not just saying this, just to say it. But there's there's there's deep level of meaning behind all of it that I sort of had to labor through. But for me, it just fires on all kinds of levels radical radical and what that means, what that means for me.

Isaac Kuhlman 50:32
Yeah, and I tried to actually draw, I literally try to draw that symbol. With the two Rs. I'm like, I don't get it. I can draw this. Yeah, I know what it looks like. And it looks awesome. I'm like, I can't figure out how that's two hours. But it does make sense. But I can't figure out how to draw it.

Adam Lohrbach 50:52
I here's the here's the I just saw this guy down there. There's the picture from the record, you know, on the cover, and that's me. I grew up as a child in the desert, we go the desert all the time, so that the record covers me out in the desert. I felt like it looked like how I felt.

Isaac Kuhlman 51:10
Yeah. A kid in the desert

Adam Lohrbach 51:18
I can't draw on there though, can I?

Isaac Kuhlman 51:20
That's all right. Well, you can try.

Adam Lohrbach 51:22
That's not gonna turn out great.

Isaac Kuhlman 51:25
Here. Let's see if you can draw it because I was pretty poor.

Adam Lohrbach 51:32
I don't know if that passes the test. Pretty good.

Isaac Kuhlman 51:35
That's better than mine. Yeah, it's like a circle on top of like a triangle that looks like yeah, a person kind of as well. It's kind of a, it's got a lot of like, I mean, artistically speaking, it looks like a lot of different images. If you really give it the Rorschach test.

Taylor Schwab 51:53
You'd have to like, we'll have to do a top down sometime. Have you actually drawing it out? So see the pen strokes are?

Isaac Kuhlman 52:06
Well, that's cool. So a lot of bands are sort of taking a break from touring for pandemic reasons. But you guys also probably, obviously had that same thing happened to you. But also, I think a lot of bands realize that there are parts of life that are equally more important than going out and spending months and months on the road for basically peanuts, as you've mentioned before, where you can stay home, create records, you know, put out the music and still not have to travel as much. So are you guys doing any touring to support this new album, beyond I think you've played it like two or three shows already. But anymore beyond that.

Adam Lohrbach 52:39
We have a show coming up on November 20. I mean, that's a few days away. That's doing going to be doing like Home Grown acoustic covers of the homes that I wrote in, in hunger on some songs I wrote and in some Radical Radical songs acoustic we got a show on December coming up. But honestly the I think the plan is just sort of grow the tri state area a little bit kind of a focus on California mostly. And just do some touring partner with friends and you know, do videos and things like that we did with Mario of Nights Like Thieves, like we partnered with him to do that I feel like I want to videos came out. And we're going to be doing some collaboration with him as well like some songwriting, collab stuff with him. But not just continue to be creative, like, play shows together, we really enjoy playing it live. I think this record plays out really well live. I think it really comes to life. And like we do, we did for our record release, we have a whole in and we'll change it from show to show as the show affords that can handle we can handle it forever. But we do a whole movie like a video slideshow. That's for each song. So like when we played chain reaction, there was a video playing behind us the whole time. The lyrics as we sang them and imagery floating around different scenes, things that related to the music, so that the art was kind of another level. And I saw that in a band called there's a band from Denmark called Mew, which I always see when they come through town and I first saw that with them the synchronized video art with the music and I thought I thought man if I could do that one day and I finally knew enough. I'm you know, a poor man's creator in that sense and definitely that's what I wanted Canva and simple things that I tools that I can use to put together videos to help match the music but I think I enjoy it.

Isaac Kuhlman 54:33
I say it's a lot cheaper than trying to recreate the wall by Pink Floyd like they do where they have this giant construction of all the stuff around the stage and stuff. I haven't even

Adam Lohrbach 54:41
seen that this set design Yeah, this Yeah, this is easier just find a good wall like yeah, we just put a white sheets in the back and just project you know. But yeah, I think our aspirations are just to enjoy each other as friends play shows. We enjoy being together. Rehearsals like just hanging out laughing talking, playing some shows. Being creative online with, you know, video ideas, Song remixes, collaboration, things like that, and just seeing what happens, you know, because this isn't like our bread and butter, whatever, we love it passionate about it. But at the end of the day, this isn't like our financial livelihood riding on this, this is more just and we really enjoy this. So let's let's do what we can that works within healthy margins, margins, boundaries with family and work life and just enjoy it. You know?

Isaac Kuhlman 55:27
Yeah. If you ever decide to take a weekend trip to Vegas and play a show, I'll be here.

Adam Lohrbach 55:33
You book me a show out there and let's talk.

Isaac Kuhlman 55:36
Alright, sounds good. I'll find something,

Adam Lohrbach 55:40
I think. Yeah, we'll take if you can get a show booked out there. We'll come to Vegas. How's that Isaac?

Isaac Kuhlman 55:45
Fantastic. Well, I'll get on it. I know some I know some bands and we could probably put some together. Let's do it. Alright, sounds good to hear first. Cool, we'll make it happen. We'll make it happen Make It Happen man. Also, by the way I'm doing we're doing a charity golf tournament next April so you can come out and hang out for that as well. So that's like April 22 or 21st or something like that as

Adam Lohrbach 56:05
well. So give us a heads up and we'll figure it out. Knock some

Taylor Schwab 56:09
balls right into the woods. Yeah,

Isaac Kuhlman 56:12
we don't have so many woods here is this just rocks? Okay, that's actually true

Taylor Schwab 56:16
into the houses that line the golf into the cactus?

Isaac Kuhlman 56:20
More Yeah, that's a lot more likely. Well cool. So add some music, some links to the music below in the show notes and everything else anything else you'd like to plug or anything that you'd like to say to fans and those fans that haven't yet haven't yet discovered you guys before we go today?

Adam Lohrbach 56:34
Yeah, well I think our our best point of connection right now is on Instagram love direct messages we get asked to everything we do a lot of content there but a YouTube channel just search Radical Radical. We have two music videos out that I'm super proud of miss one for Misfit Toys one that just came out for I feel like I want to and be on the lookout for like some new like synth wave remixes that's going to be fun local shows I'm Taylor is gonna fall over. And you Yeah, and I'm just grateful thank you to everybody who's even back from the old days who's kind of joined up major shout out to Home Grown for all the incredible years and even how it sort of helped shape me and for me for what this project is now. And yeah, just looking forward to what comes next year I feel like it's just started you know, honestly just started Yeah. Yeah, I

Isaac Kuhlman 57:30
mean, the record just came out what like October right so just last month was

Adam Lohrbach 57:34
at two months ago, maybe like a month ago it's new. It's new. Because if you're a fan of Home Grown you know, fan Home Grown you know Drive Thru Record sound it's definitely got some 2000s pop punk but with a little bit a modern twist production obviously lyrically a little bit more introspective personal

Isaac Kuhlman 57:56
not necessarily written for high school kids but has that same pop music style form for a punk

Adam Lohrbach 58:02
unless they were high school kids like you Isaac then it is written for them.

Isaac Kuhlman 58:05
Yeah, I was in high school awesome. So guys, I want to thank Radical Radical Adam and Taylor from, from Radical Radical for the awesome conversation today. And if you haven't checked out their music yet, make sure to go the show notes below this episode to check out their music because it is awesome and radical. If you like what you heard on the show, please make sure to subscribe to the podcast and share it with your friends on social media. You can see the full interview on our YouTube channel as well. Also, if you want to check out some of our written content, or any of the products or merch that we have available, go to poweredbyrock.com to read our absolutely free rocking blog full of album reviews, interviews and lists to keep you entertained and find our gear as well so you can pick up some items to play and look like a rock legend. That's our show for today. We'll see you soon for the next episode. Until then rock on