New Aesthetic - 4 Kids from San Diego Are Pop Punk's Next Big Thing

Get ready to dive into the world of New Aesthetic, the exciting pop punk band hailing from San Diego. Hosted by Isaac Kuhlman, this episode explores the band's journey, their music, and their vision for the future.

Gabriel Muñoz and Matthew Ludwig of New Aesthetic discuss their influences, the hard work behind their success, and the support from their families in forging a path in the music industry. Despite being under 21, they exude a maturity and confidence in their craft that predicts a bright future ahead.

New Aesthetic stands out not only for their youthful energy but also for their expert musical style that blends traditional pop punk with elements of hardcore. From their memorable live performances to the intricate details in their singles, the band pushes each other to continuously improve and deliver catchy, yet deeply meaningful, songs.

They share insights about their songwriting process, their experience with various shows, and their goals of reaching heights similar to Blink 182 and other major bands.

Intro Music: Birds Love Filters "Colorado" - ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/dqD_jMhZGqU⁠⁠⁠
Outro Music: Speedway Sleeper "Snail Mail" - ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/21-vX3bBagc⁠⁠⁠

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Key Takeaways:

* The members of New Aesthetic developed their musical skills and love for pop punk through meticulous study and practice of iconic bands, playing songs note-for-note.

* The band credits much of their success to the support from their families and a close-knit team that helps manage their blossoming career.

* They plan to release more music and aim to balance single releases with the ambitious goal of recording a full-length album by next year.

* Their live performances are central to their strategy for winning over new fans, with an emphasis on creating an engaging and energetic stage presence.

* They are keen on maintaining authentic and heartfelt connections with future record labels, looking for partnerships that align with their values and passion for music.

Resources:

New Aesthetic's Links - ⁠https://linktr.ee/newaestheticband⁠

New Aesthetic's Website - ⁠https://newaestheticband.com/⁠

Dylan playing with Hawthorne Heights - ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@dylandangerguzman/video/7272823617027673387⁠

Blink-182 medley by Minority 905 - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poYR5t2QmHc⁠

Interview with Jake Laderman of Clowns - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoYhNViWZUA⁠

Timeline:

00:00 - Episode Introduction
01:14 - Why Is New Aesthetic the Next Big Pop-punk Band?
19:06 - New Aesthetic Gets Courted By Record Labels
26:20 - How Does New Aesthetic Fit In with The Punk Mecca of San Diego?
31:22 - New Aesthetic Makes Really Good Music
39:00 - How Wil New Aesthetic Take Things to the Next Level?

 

0:00:00 - (Isaac Kuhlman): There have been a few times in my life where I have heard a band and thought to myself, this band is likely going to be very popular in the near future. I remember saying about Blink 182 when they released Dude Ranch, and that definitely came to fruition when they put out their next album, Enema of the state. But I haven't really been able to state confidently that a new rock band will somehow find a way to make it mainstream since probably the year 2000.

0:00:22 - (Isaac Kuhlman): There are many factors for why that is, but now it seems I'm more inclined to say something to the effect of, I would love to see this band make it big someday. For this episode, I'm bringing on a band that I'm both hopeful for, and I'm also fairly certain they're going to be doing something big in the next few years. And this is by no means the last time you're going to hear from them. Today I get to speak to the very talented pop punk band, new aesthetic from San Diego, California, about their music and what the future holds for these guys who are all still under the legal drinking age. But you wouldn't know it from how they sound.

0:00:50 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Their infectious spirit, comedic tendencies, banging music, and interactive live shows will make a fan out of anyone who takes the time to check them out. Stay tuned to hear from the band about what they foresee for themselves and why. I'm calling them the best pop punk band you haven't heard of yet. I excited for the countdown, here is Gabe and Matthew from new aesthetic from southern California, from San Diego, roughly. And around that area, basically. But hey, guys, welcome to the show.

0:01:36 - (Matthew Ludwig): What's up?

0:01:38 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I did want to make sure that everybody who is watching this episode knows that when I say, like, you guys are the next big thing in pop punk, I'm not just shitting around here. Like, you guys not only sound that way, are carrying yourselves that way, but you also truly believe this. And I kind of just want to immediately address the elephant in the room because you guys are young. You guys are still all under 21.

0:01:59 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Um, there's going to be a lot of people who immediately just jump to the, oh, they must be Nepo babies. They must know somebody, uh, their industry plans, all that stuff, right? So kind of give me, like, a quick rundown. I know the story of how you guys swarmed and everything, but give me a quick rundown how you guys got to this point and kind of let people know who who, you know, who might call you Nepo babies or initial plants, let them know what's really going on.

0:02:22 - (Matthew Ludwig): I've just got to say, we worked our asses off for this, man. I've been dreaming about playing a band since I was eight years old, and David's been dreaming about it since he was, like, four or whenever he started playing. And Dylan was the same way. Our other guitarist, who's unfortunately not here, and matt as well, has been wanting this for a long time. So we've all just been, like, grinding, man.

0:02:44 - (Matthew Ludwig): I don't think I want to be called an industry plant. That's not the goal.

0:02:48 - (Isaac Kuhlman): It's okay. This is the Internet.

0:02:49 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah. That.

0:02:53 - (Gabriel Muñoz): We'Ve. We've definitely worked for it. And a big social media presence. You know, our boy Dylan has been helping us a lot on social media. He's. He knows how to crack the code for a. He knows what to post, when to post, and, yeah, just been hard work, dedication, and it all is happening organically, which is really dope.

0:03:12 - (Isaac Kuhlman): And I know. I think it was. So, Matthew and Dylan, you guys met at the school of rock.

0:03:16 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah.

0:03:17 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Really young, right?

0:03:18 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, that was a long time ago.

0:03:19 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah. And then you guys kind of reconnected again. And then you guys met Gabe at a knuckle puck concert or something like that. And Dylan got up on stage and played some guitar. Oh, yeah, for. For knuckle puck. And you guys were like, what? What is this kid doing? Yeah, and then you guys, obviously, Gabe, you were playing with Matt and, like, kind of jamming with him at the time, the bases. And you guys all kind of came together and formed this. And you guys were playing without a bassist for about a year. Right. So, like, this wasn't something like, you guys all knew each other from high school as an early age. You kind of are still putting pieces together, and you finally kind of got this. This lineup about it. I think it was about a year ago. Even now.

0:03:53 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah, I think less than that.

0:03:55 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, I think it was maybe just under a year. I think last November was the first show we played with our. With our bassist math, but before that, yeah, we were just doing two guitars and me, which was pretty funny.

0:04:06 - (Gabriel Muñoz): We're very.

0:04:08 - (Matthew Ludwig): We had no bass in our next, which was interesting, for sure. We can grab it out. Matt now is awesome.

0:04:14 - (Gabriel Muñoz): We thought we had something cool. Cause I'd always have, like, a lower tone than Dylan, and Dylan would have, like, a higher trebly tone. So we're like, we don't need a bass player. But then it wasn't until we played a show that somebody was like, you guys should really consider getting a bass player. And we tried. We tried a couple of people out, but when we got Matt and we played that show, we were like, okay. Like, we know this is where it's at. This is the boys.

0:04:37 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah, it's pretty interesting to have a rhythm section without really rhythm, right? Like, you got your timekeeper and Matthew on drums, but you still don't have, like, the low end kind of filling out that sound.

0:04:50 - (Matthew Ludwig): It's just me, man. I was solo. I was running it. There was a. We played a show up in Bakersfield a long time ago, was our good friends in a band called Imbalance. That was one of our first shows ever. And the sound guy, I vividly remember, came up to us after our set and was like, yo, dudes, like, great set. You guys need a basis? I was like, fuck. We kind of need a bassist, guys.

0:05:11 - (Isaac Kuhlman): He's like, yeah, this is like that wise old desert gym guy who just like, sits out there and smokes weed all day, but he's like, hey, you know, you know, it'd be really good for you guys if you guys had a bass player.

0:05:19 - (Matthew Ludwig): A bassist. Exactly.

0:05:25 - (Isaac Kuhlman): So let's talk about, obviously, the kind of weird logic of just being in a pop punk and rock band in general these days, right? So, like, pop punk has never really kind of fallen completely out of fashion since the mid nineties when it really blew up. But it definitely kind of went a little silent or a little bit more underground lately and, you know, over the past 15 years or so. So I'm curious, how did you guys all kind of get into pop punk? And, you know, obviously being so young, you know, most of you guys weren't even alive in the nineties, so, like, oh, yeah, none of you guys were alive.

0:05:56 - (Matthew Ludwig): None of us?

0:05:57 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah, in the nineties. So what were you guys thinking? Like, why did this genre kind of appeal to you?

0:06:03 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I guess I would say, you know, I got in, got into pop punk through a family friend a long time ago at a young age. And before anything really grew, I just, like, I knew Green Day and that was really just about it. But around 8th grade, I saw a YouTube video of a band doing a blink 182 medley set, like, where they just combined all their songs and that's kind of where it started. And then after that, it was mainly blink that got me into pop punk. And then I just went through into a huge rabbit hole.

0:06:35 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Like, I would listen to a bunch of no effects descendants because of that's what inspired them. And then from that, it started getting into the earlier years. Like, I figured out who knuckle puck was real friends story so far. And then it just kept growing and growing. And I'd say recently after meeting Dylan and Matthew, we kind of together formed a bond and like a love for hardcore. So it's really cool new thing, right?

0:07:02 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Like a lot of new bands that are coming up are in the hardcore. Like, oh yeah, turnstile military guns bands are really, really good too.

0:07:09 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Yeah. And that's kind of what's like taken over right now. You know, that's what's hot. So that's where we kind of, I feel like, you know, mix and enjoy being in is a hardcore scene because, like, you're right, the pop punk scene is a little weird. You know, it's a little. I wouldn't say it's not dead, but it's.

0:07:29 - (Matthew Ludwig): It's quiet for sure.

0:07:30 - (Gabriel Muñoz): For sure. But you have other bands coming out that are considered pop punk. But if you ask them, I feel like a lot of them would say they're into the hardcore.

0:07:38 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah, borderline emo hardcore. Right? Like, this is kind of what it's like, you know, you got bands like knock loose out there that are just kicking the shit out of everybody and like, you know, turnstile. It's like when you. When you go to a turnstile show, it's like everybody's doing jazzercise or something out there. Way too young for to know what Jazzercise is, but I think you get the reference.

0:08:01 - (Matthew Ludwig): My intro to pop punk was, I think, a little bit different from Gabes, my drum teacher, when I was pretty young, introduced me to a band called State Champs specifically right around the time that their album around the world and back came out. And I remember, like, bumping that album so much. And that was kind of the only pop punk that I got exposure to when I was really young. And then I met Dylan.

0:08:25 - (Matthew Ludwig): So I got to give a huge shout out to Dylan. He introduced me to, like, everything I know. He showed me the ropes of pop punk and, like, showed me all these other bands and the old emo stuff and all the new shit and like, everything in between. And he got me just like, super hooked. I remember from that point forward, like, we would come to my house and we would jam, like bands. Full discography, every single song we played note for note.

0:08:50 - (Matthew Ludwig): We just geeked out. And we met Gabe and he was kind of doing the same thing with all of our favorite bands. And I was like, holy shit, this is awesome. Like, we can play both guitar parts to these covers now and then. And then, yeah, I fell into hardcore at about the same time as Gabe and Dylan. And we, I would say people, he is influenced now by hardcore as we are pop punk, which is. It's really cool and it's opened up a lot of new, like, opportunities for us. In both scenes, when I got into.

0:09:16 - (Isaac Kuhlman): It, every time it came to doing something note for note, I was like, I don't have the patience for this. I will just. I will play it as good as I can do it without worrying about playing every lead guitars part or anything like that. I'm like, I'll mix parts together. So that way I just take the easy route. I'm like, as long as I can sing and play this and I'm fine. Yeah. You guys doing it note for note.

0:09:35 - (Matthew Ludwig): I.

0:09:35 - (Isaac Kuhlman): It kind of gives me kind of the answer to a question that I was going to ask because, you know, you guys have put out a handful of singles. You put out, you know, the ep, I guess, run for cover, and they sound incredible. Right? So, like, I was how you guys sounded so polished and accomplished so early. You got in your guys, like, you know, age and career, obviously, but I think you kind of just answered that. You guys sat down and studied a lot of music note for note. And I think that kind of puts into perspective a lot of what you can actually do when you pay attention to the details, right? So I think, you know, when I think look at your music, I'm like, there's no way that this is like a band's first single or first big video or whatever. I'm like that.

0:10:14 - (Isaac Kuhlman): This is like. I mean, you listen to Cheshire Cat or Buddha by Billy Quinn, you're like, they don't sound that fucking good. I know it was a different time they didn't have, but, yeah, I love those albums.

0:10:24 - (Matthew Ludwig): But, yeah, I mean, they are complete dogs. It. To be honest, I still love them. Please, nobody on the Internet ate me. They're fantastic albums and I love.

0:10:33 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I was the one that started putting the hate on it. But yes, they're.

0:10:36 - (Matthew Ludwig): But the recordings are very good songs.

0:10:39 - (Isaac Kuhlman): But the recording parts of them are, like, not good, right?

0:10:42 - (Matthew Ludwig): For sure. I think everyone can agree on that. Even Gabe was like the biggest blank fanboy in the entire world. Yeah, I mean, we just really put in the hours, like, studying music and studying our favorite bands. Like, I remember Dylan will always talk about, like, when he played with Hawthorne Heights, he would do the same moves up on stage with them as they would do in the music videos. Like, that's just kind of a testament to the fact that we spent way too much time watching these bands play, like, full sets or whatever and memorizing their dance moves or their jokes or, like, what they'd say in between songs. And I think that helped us, like, come out more refined when we started making music.

0:11:18 - (Gabriel Muñoz): 100%, I'd say that I became a better musician jamming with matthew and Dylan for sure, because I was like, you. Like, I would just play the easiest parts. And up till this day, I don't even play them right. Probably, you know, with them is just like, they've definitely made me a better musician. And like you said a little bit ago about, like, the first ep, it's pretty crazy because you hear all these stories about bands saying, like, you know, this is the band when it happens.

0:11:46 - (Gabriel Muñoz): And before, when I was playing in another band before this one, you, like, I would think that this was the band. Like, I would say, oh, this is the band, this is gonna make it, blah, blah, blah. But then you started jamming with matthew Dillon and then Matt when he came in the picture a little bit later after boot camp, and it's just like, this is where it's at. This feels like four best friends playing music.

0:12:10 - (Gabriel Muñoz): This feels like the band everybody's talking about versus just kind of like four guys trying to make something happen.

0:12:17 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah, I think that it really helps when everybody's on the same page, right? Cause if you're dragging somebody along, that's a. There's just no real. No real way to take somebody with you. Right? Like you have to have pushing the thing forward, right? Like when your van breaks down and you need some people to push.

0:12:36 - (Matthew Ludwig): Back there.

0:12:37 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Push the van.

0:12:37 - (Matthew Ludwig): Dude, that was a nightmare.

0:12:39 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Right? But yeah, I'd say 100%. When everybody's on the same page and everybody's thinking the same thing, feeling the same way, you will go a lot further.

0:12:52 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I think another thing that's pretty cool about you guys band is, you know, I don't know, I don't know exactly the heritage of everybody in the band, but I know at least a couple of you guys are Hispanic Latino. You know, my wife's family is all mexican. I fucking love hispanic culture. Love Mexico. I love mexican food. I love pretty much everything about it. But I was just curious because it's been a while. I mean, like Phoenix, TX, you know, obviously was a big inspiration to me. Like, I'm not hispanic, but when I looked at, like, pop punk bands, I was like, God damn. Like Will. Will from Phoenix ticks particularly. I was like, this dude is legit.

0:13:24 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I actually met him. He tried to pass me a joint. I was like, 17 at the time. I'm like, no, I'm okay. Like, but, you know, bands like that and bands like your guys's where you don't see a lot of, especially mexican american or hispanic latino people in pop punk or, you know, in hardcore scene is kind of a little bit, kind of coming up now, but in pop punk, it's a little different. Do you guys think that that kind of helps you stand out as well? Or is there some support structure within your guys family? I know, obviously, Gabe, your dad is Ricky is the manager of you guys group. But, like, do you think this kind of the heritage and the culture also helps you kind of build this band a little bit faster?

0:13:58 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I have no clue. I have no clue.

0:14:00 - (Matthew Ludwig): I would say. Okay, I'll answer for you, Gabe. I got this. I personally am not mexican. I'm Filipino and German. I think a lot of pride in.

0:14:08 - (Isaac Kuhlman): That culture, too, but I wasn't sure. I didn't want to guess because.

0:14:11 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, yeah, Matt and I are Filipino. We take a lot of pride in that. I think all of us take a lot of pride in our ethnicity and our background. And I don't know, I think it makes us stand out a little bit. But more than anything else, I think it allows us to kind of just connect with people on another level. Like, we're not just a generic. Sorry if this is, like, not correct.

0:14:31 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Very similar to me.

0:14:33 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah. So maybe it helps us stand out a little bit more than anything. We just take a lot of pride in it. And I think it's super cool for us to be able to represent our cultures in front of, like, these audiences. And that's super. That's awesome to me. I love it.

0:14:45 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Yeah.

0:14:46 - (Isaac Kuhlman): What he said bar for filipino culture, too. Like, I've been to the Philippines a few, few times, and there's a band called the doll heads here. They're a sibling group, pop punk band. They're all Filipino. Oh, they're fucking awesome, too. So, yeah, you don't see that a lot in rock music. And when it is, it's usually like a hardcore or, like a mix, a fusion band of, like, rap rock or something like that. It's like pop punk, you know? I know there's a ton of pop, punk and punk fans in general that are mexican, latino, hispanic, Filipino, all that stuff. And I'm like, like, where are all the bands, though? Like that. That's what I want to see. And it's great to see you guys coming up from that. That's why I just wanted to ask to see if there was anything like, you know, obviously having the. Having the heritage and the pride in it. It's great. But, you know, I think.

0:15:28 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I think that the. I know. I heard you guys talk about this, that you guys have kind of like a big family group support as well, which is kind of a cool thing. And I think, you know, philippine and mexican culture, you know, spanish conquistadors, you know, obviously at one point kind of colonized both of those areas. Yeah, I think there is a shared heritage there that. Where you guys can kind of, kind of mix in between and kind of get a lot of in common things.

0:15:52 - (Matthew Ludwig): Anyway, yeah, our band only exists because of family, man. I mean, Ricky is the prime example. But also my parents are super supportive and they have done so much for the band. I mean, the biggest thing is probably just letting us practice at my house every time. It's somewhat fucking always, so, dude, huge thanks to my drummer's house because they're.

0:16:11 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Already used to it.

0:16:12 - (Matthew Ludwig): Right, exactly. Yeah. And Dylan's parents are super supportive. Even Matt are super supportive. It's awesome. Like, we just have this whole team behind us helping push us through and, like, get us places that we couldn't get ourselves. And, I mean, we owe almost everything to our families.

0:16:28 - (Gabriel Muñoz): It's a lot easier when you have a bigger support team behind you pushing you, because not like you've heard stories of people saying, oh, my parents don't support me in this. That. And it's hard, you know, but when you have somebody that supports you in music, especially music, because it's a hard thing in this, in the world to do, it's really awesome to have that support.

0:16:53 - (Isaac Kuhlman): So I know you guys have kind of built up a pretty good reputation, especially online presence so far. You know, obviously the video for Spork has over 100,000 views on YouTube. Great video. Obviously the weekend at Bernie's kind of theme. I'm sorry you guys didn't get to buy your two boats. Gabe, I know that you were really looking forward to that, but I know you guys have also. You're playing, you know, you did the southwest tour. It was ten shows over twelve days.

0:17:19 - (Isaac Kuhlman): You're playing the new shed on August 30.

0:17:23 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah.

0:17:23 - (Isaac Kuhlman): You're playing the California for Lovers festival the next day. And you're actually playing a club show for when we were young fest, headlined by Hawthorne Heights and armor for sleep in October. So what were your expectations for this bane when you guys were started? And what are your expectations now that you're going in this direction.

0:17:40 - (Gabriel Muñoz): It's crazy. It's just. It's awesome. It's so crazy because last year when we attended is for lovers, Dylan got to play on stage with them and he was like. He told me. I remember he was like, we're going to play next year. And he was so confident about that. And me, I was just like, okay, you know, like, we'll see when it happens. And then they asked us and it was like, what? And it's crazy.

0:18:04 - (Isaac Kuhlman): He's like the dream maker. He's like, I will pick you guys on this ride. You're coming with me.

0:18:09 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah.

0:18:09 - (Gabriel Muñoz): And then they asked us to do the when we were young thing, and I was even crazier. We're just like, I can't believe this is happening. And again, like, we just want to say thank you to Hawthorne Heights if they're watching or not. Like, you guys have been almost like big brothers to us and helping us on this journey. So it's been really cool. Yeah, I just.

0:18:28 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Just for the record, this is at the La Coliseum, right? Like, this is like, oh, yeah, 100,000, but 90,000 Cedar or whatever.

0:18:37 - (Matthew Ludwig): It's the outside bar and porch. It's still like a 10,000 cap. So, I mean, just a humble little, humble venue. Very.

0:18:45 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I don't think you're going to fill it, but maybe if it's just like the section of it. But that makes sense that it's at the torch bar.

0:18:50 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, I mean, 10,000 people? That's insane. If you would have told us a year ago even that we were going to play soma size, save the 500 cap, we would have been like, what the fuck you line. So the fact that we're doing this now and you headline Soma is just. I mean, we're living our dreams.

0:19:19 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Obviously, in this, you know, direction now you're building momentum. You have record labels calling to, obviously emailing you guys, letting you know that they're interested. I know you guys have talked to some record labels. I watched the Emo Brown podcast where you or they talked about Wiretap records when I first met you. I talked about Wiretap Records. If you'd talk to them. I know Rob. Rob and I are not best friends, but Rob and I get along quite well and we definitely talk on occasion.

0:19:47 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I really want to go to his attention fest in September, but I don't know if I can make it or not. But when you guys are getting talks from record labels, you know, is there anything that you. Because they're not required these days. And I know that you guys aren't necessarily rushing to sign. Right? But is there anything you're looking for when working with a label that is, like, a key to you signing with them?

0:20:08 - (Matthew Ludwig): I think we're just looking for people who are really like minded to us. I know we've spoken to a couple different groups. At this point, I don't want to disclose any names or anything, but certain people have connected more with us than others. And we really like to feel like we're working with our family still. Recently we've talked to. This is one that apparently I can talk about now. We've talked to a guy named Jason at Sound Talent Group, which is a fantastic booking agency.

0:20:33 - (Matthew Ludwig): And I remember we got on the phone with him and instantly just felt like it was family. Like, he is so invested in the scene and the culture of pop punk. And to talk to someone who's just as driven as us and, like, wants us to succeed as much as we do, it feels great and it feels like family and it feels easy. And that's why we wanted to go. So I guess that's what we look for is just to expand our team of family.

0:20:56 - (Matthew Ludwig): Like, we don't want these suits. We're coming in here just like steal our money or whatever. We want people who are actually down for the ride.

0:21:08 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Now, I know obviously another thing that you guys are doing is you're kind of, you know, putting out music as you go and everything like that. But are you guys planning on putting out an album? Like, obviously, in the talks of working with a record label, is this like, to hopefully put out an album or is this like something that. It's just. If it comes, it comes. We're just going to keep releasing songs. We're going to keep writing more music and just playing shows. What's. What's kind of your guys's goal right now?

0:21:33 - (Matthew Ludwig): As of right now, we have, like a couple singles that we're going to be dropping within the next probably six months, I'd say. And then after that, or even right now, actually, we're taking as much time as we can to write a lot and a lot of songs, which is a lot of work, but it should do worth. It's an end product. We plan to release an LP, hopefully, like middle towards the end of next year, start rollout for it if we're lucky, if everything's on time and we're all writing enough or recording in a timely fashion, wherever. But yeah, yeah, our plan is to release LP eventually. So, yeah, we're working we're trying our best.

0:22:14 - (Gabriel Muñoz): All these record labels are saying they need more music. So right now we have a couple. We have one song ready to go, but there's still a couple of songs in the works that aren't finished, that are mix mastered, etcetera. But the end goal is to definitely do a record, like Matthew said, next year.

0:22:34 - (Isaac Kuhlman): And that's a pretty ambitious goal because obviously, within, you know, the recording, the writing, then you have, obviously, the release plan and you have to time it up. If there is a record label that's going to put it out, then they got to put it in their release schedule and all that stuff. So it's ambitious, for sure. I know we're talking about something that's a year away or more potentially, but, you know, if it doesn't happen till 2026, it's probably not too far fetched, right?

0:22:56 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, no, for sure. Records aren't super fast saying, we know that distribution could take a long time, recording can take a long time, planning can take a long time. And I like, we're playing a lot of shows right now, and with this new booking agency, I'm assuming that we're gonna be playing a lot more shows. So I guess stay tuned. Like, we're just gonna need to find as much time as we can to write. And if that's not all in one sitting, then so be it. But we're gonna try our absolute hardest, and we want to get new music out really bad, so we're just gonna. We're gonna keep doing our thing, and we're gonna do it as good as we can. As fast as we can.

0:23:31 - (Gabriel Muñoz): No, I was gonna say it's crazy because if you look at these, like, bands say you normally supposed to do a record every two years, and on top of that, you tour the previous record. So it's just crazy how, like, it's done, you know, record ride circle man.

0:23:46 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah. What I will say is, do not try to stick to that standard, because usually what happens is the shit. The albums become terrible. Right? Like, oh, yeah, take your time to write the music. You can. You know, there's bands, like, okay, go where they did a couple albums. Like, I think they had, like, four albums, and this isn't you guys, obviously, they had four albums over, like, ten years, and then they're talking about now releasing an album after ten years.

0:24:10 - (Isaac Kuhlman): So shout out.

0:24:11 - (Matthew Ludwig): Shout out to furry so far for doing my shit. Yeah, they put out proper notes in 2018, and six years later, they finally put out another lp. And it is so much better than the last.

0:24:21 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah, that's the thing. Like, when you're on a major record label and you're pushed to put out music, that's what can happen. Like, you're just, you're just. A lot of them are just trying to get out of the contract. Right? Like, let's fulfill the contract.

0:24:31 - (Matthew Ludwig): Oh, yeah.

0:24:32 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Out of here. So.

0:24:33 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, yeah.

0:24:34 - (Gabriel Muñoz): It's crazy because I feel like before, when we first started, we kind of just. We wrote music, we recorded it, and then we put out the ep, not really knowing what we were doing and even still screaming out was a learning curve. But it wasn't until spork that I'd say, dylan. I'll give props to Dylan, for sure. Dylan was like, we got to make this the biggest release yet. And at first, I didn't really know what that meant.

0:25:03 - (Gabriel Muñoz): And then he kind of explained it is reaching out to playlists, reaching out to people that have put out the video, etc. Etcetera. And it was a pretty big release, I'd say, you know, and it was all organic. And it's like, now we're planning another single release within the next, I'd say two months or a month. And it's like, the goal for that one is to be bigger than the last one.

0:25:25 - (Matthew Ludwig): We also have been taking all our pride in the fact that our YouTube video, that growth was completely organic. We didn't do. We didn't do jack for that. We just kind of let it in. We got really lucky that it was released in the same week as, like, I think a new movement song and the story so far album. So, like, we just got pushed out with the videos for those. And I know it all clicked. We got really lucky. But I mean, we also, I know Dylan, for a fact, worked really, really hard on the release of that song and spent countless hours late at night, like, emailing publications and reaching out to playlist curators.

0:25:57 - (Matthew Ludwig): Just like, maybe get our foot in the door a little bit and get that song is in places.

0:26:02 - (Isaac Kuhlman): It's smart. I mean, that's the way to do it. Everybody thinks you have to know somebody. It's like, well, you can also find those people. Right? Like, they're not.

0:26:09 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah.

0:26:09 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Out there.

0:26:10 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, exactly.

0:26:11 - (Gabriel Muñoz): And I gotta say, shout out mo. She's our friend from Arizona. She helped us get on the noise. So shout out mo.

0:26:19 - (Matthew Ludwig): Once again.

0:26:33 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Obviously, let's talk about kind of the San Diego area. Obviously. It's kind of like, always been like a breeding ground for punk bands over the years. None more than more successful than Blink 182, but their success is kind of what every musician is dreaming of, right? Like, I know you guys have physically stated that's what your goal is, to be at that level of blink 22 at some point. Obviously, that is like, kind of like winning the lottery, especially in the music industry these days.

0:26:57 - (Isaac Kuhlman): But how do you guys feel like you stand out in order to reach a mass appeal? Like, how do you guys feel like you're going to be able to do that versus other bands?

0:27:06 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I would just say just being the best we can be, staying true to ourselves, and always putting out the best stuff that we could do.

0:27:16 - (Matthew Ludwig): I think that we. I'm not trying to toot my own horn here, I guess our own horn, but we put on a really good live show and we can win over just about any crowd. Recently, especially, we've been playing with a lot of indie bands, and those fans have never heard music like, what we're releasing or what we like. And even so, like, we're playing these shows and kids are crowd surfing or stage diving for the first time or, like, seeing a mosh pit or learning how to two step. And I think that's awesome.

0:27:44 - (Matthew Ludwig): And we're, like, winning over these crowds and it feels really good. And I think that will take us really far as long as we continue to just be ourselves on stage. And I think people can see that authenticity and not only notice it, but appreciate it. So I think that's kind of part of why we might stand out also, just because we're young and we're hungry and we really just want to do this.

0:28:09 - (Isaac Kuhlman): But, yeah, I think that's key. And I think there's kind of maybe like a little slogan or motto in there. Something like, you know, winning over crowds in 30 minutes or less. You're like Domino's pizza, right?

0:28:19 - (Matthew Ludwig): Oh, yeah.

0:28:20 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Yeah.

0:28:21 - (Matthew Ludwig): I mean, we won't give you a refund, but, yeah, guarantee you could.

0:28:25 - (Isaac Kuhlman): You can kick rocks if you want your money back, but if you like us, then just go tell. Go give us a bad Instagram comment.

0:28:32 - (Matthew Ludwig): Or something about Yelp review.

0:28:34 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I'd say to add that not only the live and whatever else Matthew said, but I'd say we work really well together to produce, like, songs.

0:28:47 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I will say that, you know, there are a ton of socal and San Diego bands that have various levels of success as well. So, like, you know, you've already mentioned, like, story so far and all these other bands that kind of. I don't. I'm pretty sure they're from California. I actually don't know for sure. But I think they are.

0:29:00 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, they are.

0:29:01 - (Isaac Kuhlman): You know, a lot of these bands, you know, especially, like, drive through record bands and stuff and. And all these bands that kind of have various levels of success. I'm just wondering if you guys kind of see, like, a stepping stone or a ladder of ascension and say, like, oh, right now we want to be like, this band was at this time, and then this band was at this time, or this is the kind of height that we want to reach. You guys see that kind of, like, if you're looking at, like, maybe like a fighter trying to get up the rankings in boxing or something, do you kind of have, like, that kind of goal in front of you at all times, or do you see. Do you see other bands like that for you?

0:29:32 - (Matthew Ludwig): I think for us, it's less about the bands and just about, like, the size of shows that we're playing. Like, I remember when we started, I was dreaming of playing, like, small clubs, like some aside stage, or, like, valley bar out in Phoenix. And now that we've played these venues and kind of have, like, honed. Honed in on how we play them and can do it pretty well, it's like, okay, now I want to play big clubs, or I want to go play theaters or ballrooms, and then from there, it's like, okay, now I want to play stadiums or I guess festivals and then stadiums and arenas or.

0:30:02 - (Matthew Ludwig): But I mean, just trying to climb.

0:30:03 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Those ranks or festival. That's like a million people or something, right?

0:30:07 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah.

0:30:08 - (Isaac Kuhlman): There's nothing else but to go straight down and get a drug addiction or whatever after.

0:30:11 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah. And then we all die and the band's over.

0:30:15 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Add to that.

0:30:15 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah.

0:30:16 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I would say that sometimes when you look at saying, like, okay, I want to try to be at this level at this time, like you were saying, it's almost. If it doesn't happen, you almost feel like. I don't know how to explain it, but you feel like you didn't do enough or you feel like you couldn't get there. I gotta say, it's like we've been playing shows for a little over a year now. I'd say May. When was our first show? Like, May?

0:30:40 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, I think it was May of last.

0:30:44 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Last year, I think was our first show. And within two years, or even a year, we played some pretty crazy shows. We played so much side stage. We played, or we did a little run to Arizona. We played chain reaction with our friends in young culture and just friends. And now within two years, we get to say that we played is for lovers and that when we were young best. Which is really crazy to say. So, I mean, I think we're doing good and just. It's crazy to see. Okay, where are we going to be at a year from now or two years from now? Because you never really know.

0:31:35 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Let's talk about the music because you guys make really fucking good music as well. So I will say when I heard you guys for the first time, obviously I listened to you guys before I saw you guys play it at Taverna Costera here in Las Vegas. But I was blown away by complacence specifically. It's probably my personal favorite song so far, but it's probably because it feels like someone my age wrote it. Like, how are you guys so good at tapping into deep topics but still put them into catchy pop songs?

0:32:03 - (Isaac Kuhlman): And are you guys like secretly like 30 years old or what?

0:32:06 - (Matthew Ludwig): I just turned 65.

0:32:08 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Time traveling. Awesome new aesthetic.

0:32:12 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, I think it's just listening to all the music. Like, I don't know, for for example like the Atari's or the starting line and just like we really are Jenny E world, whatever it is. Like we really appreciate like old hop punk. This is mostly due like all the new tumblr stuff or whatever.

0:32:29 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah.

0:32:29 - (Matthew Ludwig): 2010S all of our songs are written pretty. I wouldn't say easily, but it's in a way that's very organic and it feels fun to us. So, like, even these really dark lyrics, it's like we're all sitting together in my basement laughing about it. So I guess we just got lucky, man.

0:32:45 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I remember I was, I think I was coming to practice and Matthew and Dylan had wrote the riff and we were just sitting there or. Yeah, we were sitting there forever just like playing the riff and then playing the songs. And the song has changed a lot for sure. But I mean, we wrote that song and I'd say a day, in less than a day.

0:33:07 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, it wasn't that I sent the voice memo of the riff to the band group chat, like literally the day before we had practice and they're like, oh, that's cool. And then they serve my house. I was like, hey, can you write that song? And we sat down and we wrote the entire song in one sitting and then we went and recorded and released and I was like, damn, that's crazy. We actually just did that. And even for real, it's just like, again, I feel super lucky to be playing with these guys that make everything super easy and really fun.

0:33:34 - (Matthew Ludwig): It's still one of my favorite parts of our show. Today is, like, after the bridge playing that, like, little breakdown part when the crowd just screams, it's like, that's so cool to me, and I just love that we wrote that part of the song. That's awesome.

0:33:50 - (Isaac Kuhlman): You guys seamlessly also switch back and forth between duel singers. Gabe and Dylan, obviously, and you both sound good. You guys even have kind of very similar tones in your voice. So it's not like Mark and Tom or one's high pitch, the other one's kind of low. It's like, you guys have very relatively similar vocal ranges. And it really feels like you're listening to a band like blink or starting line or alkaline trio in the sense that, like, these bands that have these. These melodies, harmonies, and then gang vocals and all this other stuff. Right, midtown, another one. I think they had, like, four songs in that band. But do you guys feel like it helps you create the best possible music when you're, like, working together to push each other, to, like, really write these songs really well?

0:34:32 - (Gabriel Muñoz): 100%. 100%, I'd say sometimes it's like, for the. For the dual singer stuff, we'll create these melodies and it's like we realize they're kind of too high. But then me and Dylan will sit there and practice and push ourselves to become better, to sing these melodies. For example, Spork was a. Was one of those songs when we sent it to be a pre pro or get pre pro or whatever, you would say, the melody changed, and then we were kind of like, damn, that's pretty high. But me and Dylan both practiced it and decided what we were going to do for that. So I think it's really cool.

0:35:16 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I remember I had a conversation with Jake Letterman, Ladderman from the. From the australian band punk band Clowns. And he had a very similar kind of experience because he was the drummer, and him and the lead singer, Stevie, had known each other for a long time, played in a band, and basically, anytime, you know, they wanted to get better at something, they would just say, you know, he would. Stevie would turn to Jake and go learn blast beats. Like, you got to fucking do this, man. Like, you need to know how to do blast beats, or else we can't fucking be a band that we want to be. And I would just sit there and work for, like, a fucking week on blast meat. So it was like, very similar. I think when we have.

0:35:49 - (Isaac Kuhlman): When you play by yourself, you have no one pushing you, right? When you get in a room together, it's like, you got to hit this. Like, you got to do this. Like, otherwise you're letting the band down. And it sucks to say that, but, like, you really are. Like, this is how we wanted to sound. Can you get there or not? And I think, obviously, you guys have all the talent on world. You guys are young enough. You can learn goddamn anything. And if you put your mind to it, you can obviously physically do this stuff. So I think that's probably.

0:36:12 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I think without being in the room with you guys, I can kind of hear some of those conversations creeping in with each other. Right.

0:36:18 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I was gonna say rumble cover was Matthew's first ever punk beat on a song. That's kind of when a punk beat, which was really cool.

0:36:26 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, Gabe used to shit on me all the time. He'd be like, dude, Matt, you need to learn how to punk beat, bro. Like, you can't be playing in this band, and I'll know how. I was like, I need to learn not. So I sat down in my basement.

0:36:36 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I pulled my bones, baby.

0:36:38 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah. And then I just grind out the entire no pressure discography. Like, every day after school, I sit there and I just do it over and over and over until my forum would just cramp up and I couldn't play. So I got big thanks to Gabe for teaching me how to do that, because now it's working out pretty well for me. But, yeah, even, like, in practice, I noticed Dylan and Gabe always pushing each other. Like, especially when you write new songs, pushing each other to sing higher melodies or, like, sing it harder or just do it better in any way.

0:37:09 - (Matthew Ludwig): And it's never out of the place of, like, you suck.

0:37:12 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah.

0:37:12 - (Matthew Ludwig): It's just. It's always super destructive, and it's. It's a really. I don't know. It feels like mistakes are easy to make and maybe not easy to make, but, like, everyone's comfortable making mistakes, which is a really cool feeling. Like, we can fuck up and just move on.

0:37:26 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah.

0:37:27 - (Matthew Ludwig): Which I think makes for a great environment for all of us to become better musicians together.

0:37:31 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah. And I think that's a good thing about playing live, right? Like, no effects Mike Burkett. Fat Mike famously says all the time, he's like, if you come to a no effects concert and expect it to sound exactly like in the record, you're fucking crazy, because we will mess up every song in the entire set. Right? Like. And now they're doing, like, 40 song sets, 40 days, you know? Like, there's no way that they can learn all those songs perfectly every time and not forget a line or, you know, miss a beat. Or whatever. Right? So I think that's very important for a lot of people to understand is, like, practice. Do. Do your, you know, do your best to try to get it right. But if one of your band members misses something or is off a beat, like, don't just freak out. Like, I used to do that all the time. Like, my drummer would get off a beat and be like, dude, you're a beat off. And he's like, no, you're a beat off. And then we realized we're calling each other beat offs, so we named our first album in our. Our album, I'm a beat off. You're a beat off.

0:38:21 - (Gabriel Muñoz): So, yeah, that's sick.

0:38:22 - (Matthew Ludwig): Awesome.

0:38:23 - (Gabriel Muñoz): That's a cool story. It's really cool when we kind of, like, it's constructive criticism, I'd say. Especially. Also when we're writing songs, especially, I'd say lyrics are a big part. Like, we'll come up with a line and somebody will be like, no, that sounds stupid, right? It's not, because it's like, we hate it. It's just kind of. It's more of my. It's more of, like, it can be better. And that's what's awesome about this band, is that we take each other's ideas and we build it for a better end product.

0:39:12 - (Isaac Kuhlman): You're not stopping anytime soon, so let's talk about what you guys have that's going to take you to the next level, right? So I obviously mentioned a couple of these shows coming up, but, you know, let us know what you guys for sure have coming up in the near future. So that way anybody who just listened to this part of the episode can say, oh, I'm going to go to that or go to this, whatever. So let everybody know what you guys.

0:39:30 - (Matthew Ludwig): Got coming up in August, we've got the Shen show up in LA and the arts district. That's gonna be super cool with our good friends. The day after that, the 31st, we're playing California is for lovers. That will also be really awesome. And then we've got a show on Halloween that we just announced today. We're playing a blink 182 cover set at the Shea cafe. Nice to be playing deep cuts. I'm gonna be doing the punk beat the entire set.

0:39:57 - (Matthew Ludwig): So thank you, Gabe, for whoever makes the cellist in our band, for demolishing my forearms for that set. We're playing the when we're young pre show. I feel like I'm forgetting suck. Dave, do you know of anything else?

0:40:10 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I think that's it. There's. There's talks of now, but there's talks of more stuff in the fall or definitely the near future, but set in stone, that's the four that we have right now. New single and a new music video coming within the next month or two. Other than that, we're gonna be getting back into the studio to write more singles. And I think for now, the. The plan is gonna be to release singles to get us to the.

0:40:39 - (Gabriel Muñoz): To get us to next year and then whether that's release singles next year and then the album, or if it's just to release the albumen we'll see what the future holds and what the plan is.

0:40:52 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Nice. We'll put all the links to your guys's stuff in the show notes below this episode. So anybody who's listening, go check those out. Make sure you're following new aesthetic, obviously, all their social media. I don't do TikTok, but I know you guys do, and you guys do fucking great. I've watched some of your videos. I'm like, I wish I had time to do TikTok, but I just. There's no way no one's gonna believe me as a TikTok anyway, so it doesn't matter.

0:41:11 - (Isaac Kuhlman): You guys have any shout outs or anything else that you want to talk about?

0:41:14 - (Matthew Ludwig): Say, before we go today, let's shout out imbalance. Shout out Josh Henderson. Shout out state, hereditary, all the local bands in the San Diego scene.

0:41:26 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Nice. Shout out.

0:41:27 - (Matthew Ludwig): Riff and Nick. That's the big one.

0:41:29 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Riff and Nick. Shout out our parents. Shout out your dog, my dog Sammy.

0:41:36 - (Matthew Ludwig): Shout out my sister Ella, because she got mad that she wasn't in the last podcast and she wasn't shouted out.

0:41:43 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I swear it's there, but you can't see it. You gotta watch all the way to the end.

0:41:46 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah. Shout out, you, man. Thank you for having us.

0:41:49 - (Gabriel Muñoz): And a big shout out to all our fans. Thank you to everybody that supports this band and sticks with us, listens to our music, shares us. Everything buys merch. I could go on and on, but seriously, thank you to the fans, for sure.

0:42:01 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I'm gonna shout out your Gibson sgs back there. They look fucking sick in the background.

0:42:04 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah. Gabe's SG supreme sucks, dude. I hate that guitar compared to mine.

0:42:10 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I see a Les Paul. I see SGD.

0:42:13 - (Gabriel Muñoz): I is for nice. For lovers. Hawthorne Heights, Ohio, is for lovers. Guitar.

0:42:19 - (Matthew Ludwig): Stop.

0:42:20 - (Gabriel Muñoz): That was not in the music video. But I was the same model that was in the music video. I remember when I met Dylan. He's like, dude, I want to play SG. It's the same one that was played in the music video. I was like, sure, dude.

0:42:31 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah. And then he was like, dang, your si sucks.

0:42:34 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Yeah, for sure.

0:42:36 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Gibson is not sponsoring the show, so you can say whatever you want.

0:42:39 - (Matthew Ludwig): Oh, I wish they were. I love Gibson. Please, I'm not even a guitarist.

0:42:44 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Yeah, I think you do play guitar, though, a little bit, don't you?

0:42:47 - (Matthew Ludwig): I do.

0:42:48 - (Isaac Kuhlman): I've got.

0:42:49 - (Matthew Ludwig): I've got a bit of a gear obsession too. It's pretty bad. Gabe was playing one of my guitars.

0:42:53 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Altour so you got all this stuff to look like a guitar player. You could play guitar, but you're like, I'm a better drummer. I can. I could do all everybody's job in this band, but I'm gonna play drums instead.

0:43:02 - (Matthew Ludwig): If Gabe sucked a little less at drums and I told him to do that for me and I'd play guitar. Quan.

0:43:06 - (Isaac Kuhlman): But you guys can start a side project where you flip members and call it something like aesthetic new or something like that.

0:43:12 - (Matthew Ludwig): Yeah, exactly.

0:43:13 - (Gabriel Muñoz): You're national superheroes of hardcore, where it's just new. Von oh yeah. Around.

0:43:18 - (Matthew Ludwig): But Chad singing.

0:43:20 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Yeah. Matthew is going to sing and play guitar. Dylan's going to play. Matt's going to play the double neck bass and guitar, and then I'll be on drums.

0:43:29 - (Matthew Ludwig): And you're playing saxophone?

0:43:30 - (Gabriel Muñoz): Oh, yeah, I'm playing saxophone too.

0:43:32 - (Isaac Kuhlman): Guys, it's been a pleasure. Loved having you guys here talking about, you know, obviously your music and more about you, learning more about you guys. And hopefully everybody here understands why, you know, obviously go check out the music and when you do, you'll understand what the hell I'm talking about when I say that these guys are legit, you know, it's not just because they're young, it's because their music is fucking great. So go check them out. Go listen to their music. And again, thank you guys so much for being on the podcast today. We'll talk soon.

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